Acoustic Guitar Loose Bridge Pins

Acoustic Guitar Loose Bridge Pins

These days, lots of guitars are made with their necks bolted to their bodies. On rare occasions, these bolts may be a bit loose, allowing the washers under them to make quite a lot of noise when the guitar is played.

By far the most active part of the guitar is its top. One of the more subtle top buzzes comes from an interesting loose part under the bridge. If a string is not properly seated and the windings snag between the bridge pin and the side of the hole, the string may hang down inside the guitar:

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The string ball may be just a little loosely twisted on the end of the string, and may rattle and buzz on every note.

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Cracks, loose braces and other structural damage is frequently the cause of buzzing or rattling. A brace doesn't have to be as loose as this one to cause nasty sympathetic noises:

In fact, most noisy braces are ones in which the looseness is almost imperceptible. It can take a trained luthier quite a while to locate some of these nasty little fellows.

Clearly, loose braces and cracks should be repaired whether they buzz or not, but often it's the buzzing that alerts us to the presence of such damage.

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Onboard electronics are increasingly part of the acoustic guitar. Adding a pickup means adding parts that can vibrate and make noises, especially if they become loose with age.

In fact, loose wires are not often the cause of internal rattles and buzzes. If wires do rattle, it's a simple matter to add little stick-on retainers to hold them in different positions to avoid rattles.

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Loose parts are not the only causes of rattles and buzzes. Low action, uneven , trouble at the nut or saddle, improper truss rod adjustment and lots of other factors may cause buzzing. Loose parts may buzz all the time, or at certain notes only. If you suspect your guitar may have loose, rattling parts you can rap with your knuckles on various parts of the instrument, and you may get it to make the offensive noise without being played. If you can get it to rattle this way, you may well be able to locate the area where there's a loose bit. It may then be a simple matter to tighten the offending part. If that doesn't work local luthier should be able to go through a longer list of options and techniques to help you locate the tiniest little loose item.We often receive messages from customers telling us that they’re struggling to find a set of bridge pins that fit their acoustic guitar properly, or that their bridge pins keep popping out. Whilst many guitars are quite happy to be fitted with standard sized bridge pins, a smaller number of guitars may require bridge pins that are sized and shaped differently. However, that being said, one of the most common reasons players experience frustration with their bridge pins is because they haven't been fitted correctly.

Loose Acoustic Bridge

A bridge pin acts a little bit like a doorstop and holds the string in position so that when we start to wind it around the machine heads (or tuners..tomatoe, tomato), the ball end stays put and allows us to bring the string up to pitch without it flinging out. Bridge pins play a very similar role to that of a tailpiece or bridge on an electric guitar which stops the string being pulled all the way through. “Surely it’s just a process of putting the ball end down the hole and shoving the pin in, right!?“ Well yes, essentially this is what the process involves, however, there are a few things to be mindful of to ensure the pin doesn’t pop out whenever it wants, and let’s face it, it’s always at the most inconvenient moment.

Before the pin is fully pushed down and has secured the ball end of our string in position, we need to ensure the ball end is brought up as high as it can go without reappearing from the hole. The ball end should be directly underneath the top of the guitar and butted snugly up against the bridge plate. Once it’s there, we can then push the pin down and secure the string in place. If you can get this first part of the restring process done correctly, you’re on to a winner and it will make life a lot easier when it comes to winding the strings on and tuning up. If you take a look at the image below, you’ll be able to see exactly what you’re aiming for.

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Have you ever been tuning up your strings then “pop”... all of a sudden the pitch drops? You look down at the bridge and that pesky bridge pin has stuck its head above the parapet. Well this is where the string has “slipped” and what has probably happened here is one of two things; 1. The pin may have been pushed down prematurely. Before the string is “secured” in position there may have been a little more string still yet to be pulled up. As a result, when the string is tightened up by the machineheads, the increasing tension will keep pulling this “excess” string up until the ball end eventually sits underneath the bridge plate. As this happen, the ball end will inevitably pop up. 2. Another place the ball end of the string usually ends up is caught directly underneath the bottom of the bridge pin. (See image below) The issue with the ball end residing in this position is again, once we begin to wind the string around the tuner, any increasing tension in the string will cause the ball end to act as a lever and push the pin up and out.

Mysterious Acoustic Guitar Buzz — Haze Guitars

**Something to be mindful of - Where some acoustic guitars are manufactured to a certain budget, you may find that when they drill the holes through the bridge, the wood around the underside of the holes can splinter. If these are not filed and smoothed away, the ball end can get caught up in these splinters which can prevent it from coming all the way up too.**

We need to feed the string down the hole first, place our bridge pin in (gently!...don’t push it all the way down yet) then slowly pull the string back up until the ball end hits the underside of the guitar. Once this happens, that’s our cue to pounce and push the pin in place. Of course, our biggest issue here is that once the string is placed in the hole, unless you are Superman with X-Ray vision it’s nigh on impossible to see where the ball end is sitting. (We haven’t had an order for strings from a customer named ‘Clarke Kent’ as yet so we’re assuming he’s probably more of a drummer!) As a result, getting this part right definitely becomes a bit of a “feel” thing. It’s a push and pull technique. With one hand you need to be pulling the string up (almost like you’re pulling it back out of its hole), whilst the other hand manoeuvres the pin (give it a little wiggle*) allowing the ball end to come up and then when the time comes, you push it down. *The small wiggle helps to dislodge the ball end if it gets caught under the bridge pin. One final check to ensure the ball end is where it needs to be is to reach inside of the soundhole of the guitar and literally “feel” where the ball end is. Often, if you discover it isn’t completely pulled up, you can lift the pin up slightly and push the ball end of the string into the bridge plate using your finger tip and then press the pin down once it’s there.

Bridge

There’s often a misconception by some players to believe that once the bridge pins are fitted, they need to be pushed all the way down as far as they can go and in doing so, all the pins need to sit nicely in line with each other. In reality, some bridge pins may sit a little higher than others and it’s not something to be concerned about. So long as the bridge pins are doing their job and holding the string in position, all is ok.

How To Safely Remove A Stuck Bridge Pin

Another concern we often hear from customers is that their pins are too loose. When your guitar has no strings fitted and your pins are loose when placed in the bridge, fear not! This is quite normal; once the string is fed down the hole and the pin is fitted in, the friction between the string and pin takes over and helps hold everything in place. The hole sizes in acoustic bridges certainly aren’t consistent across all guitar manufacturers. Likewise, there isn’t one specific size to which bridge pins are made. As a result, most pins will vary in their thickness from one brand to another, however, the differences in sizing is fairly small and usually only by a 0.10 - 0.20mm.

A bridge pin acts a little bit like a doorstop and holds the string in position so that when we start to wind it around the machine heads (or tuners..tomatoe, tomato), the ball end stays put and allows us to bring the string up to pitch without it flinging out. Bridge pins play a very similar role to that of a tailpiece or bridge on an electric guitar which stops the string being pulled all the way through. “Surely it’s just a process of putting the ball end down the hole and shoving the pin in, right!?“ Well yes, essentially this is what the process involves, however, there are a few things to be mindful of to ensure the pin doesn’t pop out whenever it wants, and let’s face it, it’s always at the most inconvenient moment.

Before the pin is fully pushed down and has secured the ball end of our string in position, we need to ensure the ball end is brought up as high as it can go without reappearing from the hole. The ball end should be directly underneath the top of the guitar and butted snugly up against the bridge plate. Once it’s there, we can then push the pin down and secure the string in place. If you can get this first part of the restring process done correctly, you’re on to a winner and it will make life a lot easier when it comes to winding the strings on and tuning up. If you take a look at the image below, you’ll be able to see exactly what you’re aiming for.

Time

Have you ever been tuning up your strings then “pop”... all of a sudden the pitch drops? You look down at the bridge and that pesky bridge pin has stuck its head above the parapet. Well this is where the string has “slipped” and what has probably happened here is one of two things; 1. The pin may have been pushed down prematurely. Before the string is “secured” in position there may have been a little more string still yet to be pulled up. As a result, when the string is tightened up by the machineheads, the increasing tension will keep pulling this “excess” string up until the ball end eventually sits underneath the bridge plate. As this happen, the ball end will inevitably pop up. 2. Another place the ball end of the string usually ends up is caught directly underneath the bottom of the bridge pin. (See image below) The issue with the ball end residing in this position is again, once we begin to wind the string around the tuner, any increasing tension in the string will cause the ball end to act as a lever and push the pin up and out.

Mysterious Acoustic Guitar Buzz — Haze Guitars

**Something to be mindful of - Where some acoustic guitars are manufactured to a certain budget, you may find that when they drill the holes through the bridge, the wood around the underside of the holes can splinter. If these are not filed and smoothed away, the ball end can get caught up in these splinters which can prevent it from coming all the way up too.**

We need to feed the string down the hole first, place our bridge pin in (gently!...don’t push it all the way down yet) then slowly pull the string back up until the ball end hits the underside of the guitar. Once this happens, that’s our cue to pounce and push the pin in place. Of course, our biggest issue here is that once the string is placed in the hole, unless you are Superman with X-Ray vision it’s nigh on impossible to see where the ball end is sitting. (We haven’t had an order for strings from a customer named ‘Clarke Kent’ as yet so we’re assuming he’s probably more of a drummer!) As a result, getting this part right definitely becomes a bit of a “feel” thing. It’s a push and pull technique. With one hand you need to be pulling the string up (almost like you’re pulling it back out of its hole), whilst the other hand manoeuvres the pin (give it a little wiggle*) allowing the ball end to come up and then when the time comes, you push it down. *The small wiggle helps to dislodge the ball end if it gets caught under the bridge pin. One final check to ensure the ball end is where it needs to be is to reach inside of the soundhole of the guitar and literally “feel” where the ball end is. Often, if you discover it isn’t completely pulled up, you can lift the pin up slightly and push the ball end of the string into the bridge plate using your finger tip and then press the pin down once it’s there.

Bridge

There’s often a misconception by some players to believe that once the bridge pins are fitted, they need to be pushed all the way down as far as they can go and in doing so, all the pins need to sit nicely in line with each other. In reality, some bridge pins may sit a little higher than others and it’s not something to be concerned about. So long as the bridge pins are doing their job and holding the string in position, all is ok.

How To Safely Remove A Stuck Bridge Pin

Another concern we often hear from customers is that their pins are too loose. When your guitar has no strings fitted and your pins are loose when placed in the bridge, fear not! This is quite normal; once the string is fed down the hole and the pin is fitted in, the friction between the string and pin takes over and helps hold everything in place. The hole sizes in acoustic bridges certainly aren’t consistent across all guitar manufacturers. Likewise, there isn’t one specific size to which bridge pins are made. As a result, most pins will vary in their thickness from one brand to another, however, the differences in sizing is fairly small and usually only by a 0.10 - 0.20mm.

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